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batnaMMV ®

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Post 21-Dec-2006 11:24

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Recently a user on moz solo posted the following tracklist for the boxset. I'm not sure where this has sourced from, is it official? No new tracks, rarities etc though which would be very disappointing. B Sides appear at the end of each album and a seperate disc for radio sessions, which removes the need for Hatful of Hollow, Louder Than Bombs, The World Won't Listen and numerous CD Singles. I suppose it would be appealing to fans as they can complete their collection in one go. Any news on this?
THE SMITHS BOX SET
DISC ONE: THE SMITHS + (1983/1984)
1 Reel Around The Fountain 5.54
2 You've Got Everything Now 3.59
3 Miserable Lie 4.27
4 Pretty Girls Make Graves 3.41
5 The Hand That Rocks The Cradle 4.39
6 This Charming Man (Manchester) 2.41
7 Still Ill 3.19
8 Hand In Glove (remixed by John Porter) 3.23
9 What Difference Does It Make? 3.50
10 I Don't Owe You Anything 4.04
11 Suffer Little Children 5.27
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12 Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now 3.34
13 Jeane (from the Troy Tate sessions) 3.03
14 Accept Yourself 3.55
15 Wonderful Woman 3.07
16 Back To The Old House 3.04
17 These Things Take Time 2.20
18 Girl Afraid 2.46
19 Hand In Glove (single version) 3.12
20 This Charming Man (London) 2.45
21 What Difference Does It Make? (single edit) 3.10
22 Pretty Girls Make Graves (from the Troy Tate sessions) 3.35
DISC TWO: MEAT IS MURDER + (1984/1985)
1 The Headmaster Ritual 4.52
2 Rusholme Ruffians 4.19
3 I Want The One I Can't Have 3.13
4 What She Said 2.40
5 That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore (album version) 4.57
6 How Soon Is Now? (album version) 6.43
7 Nowhere Fast 2.35
8 Well I Wonder 4.00
9 Barbarism Begins At Home (album version) 6.55
10 Meat Is Murder 6.02
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11 William, It Was Really Nothing 2.10
12 Shakespeare's Sister 2.09
13 Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want 1.50
14 Oscillate Wildly 3.26
15 Stretch Out And Wait 2.37
16 How Soon Is Now? (fade-out version) 3.41
17 Barbarism Begins At Home (edit) 3.48
18 Stretch Out And Wait (different take) 2.44
19 How Soon Is Now? (unique alternate studio outtake) 7.06
DISC THREE: THE QUEEN IS DEAD + (1985/1986)
1 The Queen Is Dead/Take Me Back To Dear Old Blighty 6.23
2 Frankly, Mr. Shankly 2.17
3 I Know It's Over 5.48
4 Never Had No One Ever 3.36
5 Cemetry Gates 2.39
6 Bigmouth Strikes Again 3.12
7 The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (album version) 3.17
8 Vicar In A Tutu 2.21
9 There Is A Light That Never Goes Out 4.02
10 Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (album version) 3.14
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11 Panic 2.20
12 Rubber Ring 3.46
13 Asleep 4.09
14 Money Changes Everything 4.40
15 Unloveable 3.54
16 The Draize Train 5.08
17 The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (single version) 3.17
18 Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (edited) 3.01
19 The Queen Is Dead (single version) 6.06
20 Rubber Ring/Asleep 7.56
DISC FOUR: STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME + (1986/1987)
1 A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours 3.00
2 I Started Something I Couldn't Finish 3.46
3 Death Of A Disco Dancer 5.25
4 Girlfriend In A Coma 2.02
5 Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before 3.32
6 Last Night I Dreamt Tht Somebody Loved Me (album version) 5.04
7 Unhappy Birthday 2.45
8 Paint A Vulgar Picture 5.35
9 Death At One's Elbow 1.58
10 I Won't Share You 2.49
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11 Ask (album version) 3.15
12 Shoplifters Of The World Unite 2.56
13 You Just Haven't Earned It Yet Baby 3.32
14 Sheila Take A Bow 2.40
15 Golden Lights 2.38
16 London 2.06
17 Half A Person 3.35
18 Work Is A Four Letter Word 2.45
19 I Keep Mine Hidden 1.57
20 Ask (single version) 2.59
21 You Just Haven't Earned It Yet Baby (version) 3.23
22 Work Is A Four Letter Word (edited) 2.09
23 Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me (edited) 3.09
DISC FIVE: RANK + (live 1983/1986)
SIX
----live at National Ballroom in Kilburn, 23rd October 1986----
1. The Queen Is Dead 4.13
2. Panic 3.06
3. Vicar In A Tutu 2.33
4. Ask 3.21
5. Rusholme Ruffians/(Marie's The Name) His Latest Flame 3.55
6. The Boy With The Thorn In His Side 3.48
7. What She Said/Rubber Ring 3.43
8. Is It Really So Strange? 3.44
9. Cemetry Gates 3.09
10. London 2.19
11. I Know It's Over 7.47
12. The Draize Train 5.08
13. Still Ill 4.10
14. Bigmouth Strikes Again 5.51
----live Manchester 4/2/83----
15. Handsome Devil 2.53
----live Oxford 18/03/85----
16. Nowhere Fast 2.31
17. Stretch Out And Wait 2.49
18. Shakespeare's Sister 2.12
19. Meat Is Murder 5.34
----live Glasgow 25/9/85----
20. What's The World? 2.05
----live London 12/12/86----
21. Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others 5.03
DISC SIX: RADIO SESSIONS + (1983/1986)
----31 May 1983 - John Peel Show----
1. Handsome Devil 2.46
2. Reel Around The Fountain 5.50
3. Miserable Lie 4.33
4. What Difference Does It Make? 3.10
----4 July 1983 - David Jensen Show----
5. These Things Take Time 2.23
6. You've Got Everything Now 3.59
----5 September 1983 - David Jensen Show----
7. Accept Yourself 4.02
----21 September 1983 - John Peel Show----
8. This Charming Man 2.42
9. Back To The Old House 3.03
10. This Night Has Opened My Eyes 3.40
11. Still Ill 3.36
----9 August 1984 - John Peel Show----
12. William It Was Really Nothing 2.04
13. Nowhere Fast 2.39
14. Rusholme Ruffians 4.04
----17 December 1986 - John Peel Show----
15. Is It Really So Strange? 3.04
16. Sweet And Tender Hooligan 3.34
----This Charming Man Remixes----
17. This Charming Man (New York) 5.33
18. This Charming Man (New York Instrumental) 4.17
19. This Charming Man (single remix) 2.44
----live London 29/6/83----
20. Hand In Glove 2.48
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Post 21-Dec-2006 11:44 (after 20 minutes)

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Think i'd pass on that one.
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Post 21-Dec-2006 16:06 (after 4 hours)

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This is the kind of line up that any unimaginative fan with a complete collection of all officially released recordings could come up with - and it stinks. If you're going to have the contemporary singles as filler on the album discs, why keep This Charming Man & How Soon Is Now? inside the album line-up. And what self-respecting record company in their right mind (wow... is that a triple oxymoron?) would put three versions of How Soon Is Now? on the same CD, including the lame fade out single version. Furthermore, that live disc is just incredibly patchy, showing no sense for chronology or coherence, and who would seriously consider putting those rare This Charming Man remixes one after the other on the radio sessions disc.
To put it short and sweet: this line up must be a hoax, thought up by somebody who is obviously eager to start some daft rumour in the internet grapevine. Don't believe it, and don't worry about it. I've already wasted too much time on it whilst typing this out.
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Post 21-Dec-2006 22:27 (after 6 hours)

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Hrm. My knee jerk reaction is that those are a copy-and-paste set of tracks from PJLM.
From a business point of view, most of the potential audience for a box set is the harcore fans, and all fans I know would have those tracks all ready. I don't want to get all 'Paint a Vulgar Picture' about it, but I can't see it would make much business sense.
Come on Warner; prove me wrong.
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Post 21-Dec-2006 23:06 (after 38 minutes)

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If i was them i'd release a box set containing all unreleased/deleted alternative versions and if the material is there a DVD from each album's tour.
Obviously the Troy Tate stuff would be included in the former.
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Post 22-Dec-2006 18:35 (after 19 hours)

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The reason I thought it may be genuine is because of the lack of rarities and lack of ideas in general. I mean Warners' past ideas on re releases have left a lot to be desired, just look at The Very Best of The Smiths as an example. Record companies seem at times to obsessed with fade out and edit versions on boxsets that no one wants. When will they listen to what the fans want? I'm sure it would make them more money that way!
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Post 22-Dec-2006 21:17 (after 2 hours 41 minute)

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The reason I thought it may be genuine is because of the lack of rarities and lack of ideas in general. I mean Warners' past ideas on re releases have left a lot to be desired, just look at The Very Best of The Smiths as an example. Record companies seem at times to obsessed with fade out and edit versions on boxsets that no one wants. When will they listen to what the fans want? I'm sure it would make them more money that way!
A tad harsh that i reckon.
The extra tracks on the reissues of There Is A Light and This Charming Man were very good, TCM having all the original versions and b-sides that were long deleted and There Is A Light's second CD having the Sandie Shaw tracks.
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Post 22-Dec-2006 22:01 (after 43 minutes)

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OK, I'll admit those two reissues were good. However, the reissues of How Soon Is Now and Ask were pretty pointless though, a couple of wasted opportunities there. I never took to Best I and II because of its two part nature, although I liked Singles as it was a coherent release.
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Post 23-Dec-2006 08:13 (after 10 hours)

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OK, I'll admit those two reissues were good. However, the reissues of How Soon Is Now and Ask were pretty pointless though, a couple of wasted opportunities there. I never took to Best I and II because of its two part nature, although I liked Singles as it was a coherent release.
I don't have any of those compilations, always thought they were a waste of time.
Only compilations i have are Hatful Of Hollow and Louder Than Bombs (i haven't got World Won't Listen either).
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Post 11-Jan-2007 16:35 (after 19 days)

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The stuff put up on here far exceeds anything that boxset could contain. I shudder to think what the artwork would be like too. If it doesn't contain anything new, the only way I'd buy it is a) as a completist, and b) it would have to contain some exceptional and comprehensive artwork, liner notes, etc. all contained in nice packaging. Well one can dream!
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Post 11-Jan-2007 18:10 (after 1 hour 34 minutes)

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For those who are still in doubt, this is indeed a fake piece of news. There is no such box set being planned. Someone used the checklist from my website and reorganised all the possible song versions into what made sense to them. They even used my lingo (such as 'unique alternate studio outtake'). I think some cds would even exceed the normal capacity.
As if that wasn't enough, whatever poor opinion people might have of record companies, they would never come up with something so badly put together.
Stephane
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Post 11-Jan-2007 18:55 (after 44 minutes)

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Hrm. My knee jerk reaction is that those are a copy-and-paste set of tracks from PJLM.
Just call me the Smiths detective.
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Post 25-Jan-2007 06:07 (after 13 days)

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Oh well. If this: 19 How Soon Is Now? (unique alternate studio outtake) 7.06 was the version from the Italian 'William It Was Really nothing' 12" I would have been happy to buy the box set just for that one track in CD quality.
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Post 25-Jan-2007 16:40 (after 10 hours)

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it would be nice if they did the same as the billy bragg box sets/ re-issuses ....
box set if you wan't it or seprate 2 disk cd's
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Post 03-Feb-2007 00:32 (after 8 days)

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I recently came across this on-line interview Johnny gave in January:
Says Johnny, "...This year marks the 20th anniversary of The Queen is Dead, the album that, by Marr’s own admission, features some of the Smiths’ “best ensemble playing”. I ask him if — as rumour has it — there really is an unfaded eight-minute version of Morrissey’s apocalyptic address to the dwindling Empire. In fact, there’s an even longer one in existence: “Funny you should say that, because the record company want to put out some rarities, so we’ve spoken about the longer versions of The Queen is Dead: the eight-minute one and another one where we played for 12 minutes. It sounds like Can or something.”

Maybe there IS hope!
Full interview: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14932-2000090,00.html
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