1984-03-12 Hammersmith Palais, London (Last of the English Roses bootleg)

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DavidA ®

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Post 14-Feb-2006 22:12

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The Smiths
Last of the English Roses
Hammersmith Palais, London
12th March 1984
Source: Soundboard? > Silver CD > EAC WAVs > FLAC
Torrent created on 30th January 2006
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An excellent recording; about the best you'll get from 1984.
Probably a soundboard.
This comes from my silver CD.
01. Miserable Lie
02. Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now
03. This Charming Man
04. I'll Never Make That Mistake Again
05. Pretty Girls Make Graves
06. Still Ill
07. This Night Has Opened My Eyes
08. Barbarism Begins at Home
09. Back to the Old House
10. What Difference Does It Make
11. I Don't Owe You Anything
12. Reel Around the Fountain
13. Hand in Glove
14. You've Got Everything Now
15. Handsome Devil
16. These Things Take Time
DavidA
http://www.smithstorrents.co.uk
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Notes from PassionsJustLikeMine.com
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12 March 1984
Hammersmith Palais, London
Miserable Lie
Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now
This Charming Man
Girl Afraid
Pretty Girls Make Graves
Still Ill
This Night Has Opened My Eyes
Barbarism Begins At Home
Back To The Old House
What Difference Does It Make?
/I Don't Owe You Anything (with Sandie Shaw)
/Reel Around The Fountain
/Hand In Glove
/You've Got Everything Now
/Handsome Devil
///These Things Take Time
Back to London as part of their first major tour around England, the Smiths
decided to expand the setlist by three songs including "Miserable Lie", which
had been dropped one date into this tour to spare Morrissey's vocal chords,
and "These Things Take Time". "I Don't Owe You Anything" was also performed
for the first time since the first date of this tour, but Sandie Shaw took
care of vocals for that number.
After "Miserable Lie", Morrissey greeted the audience and introduced the next
song: "Hello! This is our new single and it's called 'Heaven Knows I'm
Miserable Now'!" Strangely, unlike what Morrissey announced, that song was not
to be released as a single for two more months. The band was actually still
doing the early version of that song, with slight lyrical and musical
difference, such as Morrissey singing "What she said to me at the end of the
day". "This Charming Man" was introduced with "This song is number 86 in the
National 100".
"Pretty Girls Make Graves" was changed musically compared to the way it was
performed before, or on the album. At the start of the second part of the
song, as Morrissey sang "I could have been wild and I could have been free",
the rhythm switched to a reggae-ish one. The song would be performed that way
until the end of its live career in November 1984. Before "This Night Has
Opened My Eyes", Morrissey simply asked "Well?". The next song was introduced
with the words "It's called 'Barbarism Begins At Home'." At that time, echo
was added by the soundman to Morrissey's wailing and la-la-la's near the end
of the vocal part.
Song titles were shouted from the audience so right before "Back To The Old
House", Morrissey answered "No..." to one of these requests and then the band
launched into the song. "What Difference Does It Make?" was introduced with
"What! Does! Make!" After that number, which was the final one of the main
set, Morrissey shouted "Thank you! Goodbye!... Goodbye, thank you..." and the
band left stage.
The Smiths was cheered back, but the audience was in for a surprise. They did
return on stage, but the person coming to the microphone wasn't Morrissey, but
Sandie Shaw. She sang "I Don't Owe You Anything", the song she was supposed to
release as a single a month later (meanwhile plans were changed and she
finally released "Hand In Glove" instead, as Morrissey wanted to give that
favourite song of his a second chance to make it big; "I Don't Owe You
Anything" was pushed to the b-side). After Sandie's performance, Morrissey
came back on stage and announced "I knew I'd get dethroned eventually... This
song is called 'There's Always Something There To Remind Me'". However the
Smiths didn't play the Sandie Shaw song with that title, but "Reel Around the
Fountain".
The next song "Hand In Glove", was introduced with "And now... a little
chestnut... 'Hand In Glove'." The band ended up playing six encore songs,
including "These Things Take Time" which was reinstated in the setlist for a
few shows, for the first time since late 1983.
The Red Guitars and the Frank Chickens were support. Tickets were £3.50.
BOOTLEGS
This concert was recorded as it appears in great soundboard quality on a few
bootlegs, the best of which being "Last Of The English Roses". It is actually
the best bootleg from 1984 altogether. The same recording is also available on
"The Smiths Live - Unlicensed Recording" (available on cd and cassette) and
"Misery Loves Company" cd.
The latter were probably reissues of the double LP sets "Misery Loves Company"
LP (available in translucent green or black vinyl) or "Hammersmith", both of
which also featuring the whole concert.
"Merry X-Mas" is has a re-sequenced selection of tracks only, on a single
picture LP: "I Don't Owe You Anything (Sandie Shaw)", "Reel Around The
Fountain", "Hand In Glove", "You've Got Everything Now", "Handsome Devil",
"These Things Take Time", "This Charming Man", "Girl Afraid", "Pretty Girls
Make Graves", "Still Ill" and "This Night Has Opened My Eyes".
"Wilde About Morrissey", a bootleg LP occasionally found on fanmade cd-r's,
has an even smaller selection of tracks: "I Don't Owe You Anything (Sandie
Shaw)", "Reel Around The Fountain", "You've Got Everything Now", "These Things
Take Time", "This Charming Man", "Still Ill" and "Pretty Girls Make Graves".
These songs are paired with a complete show from 2 February 1983.
MP3s of "Last Of The English Roses" are easy to find on the trading networks.
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Post 25-Apr-2006 08:28 (after 2 months 10 days)

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A big thanks for this one. A great gig :D
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Post 10-May-2006 17:59 (after 15 days)

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Can somebody seed this please?
Richard
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Post 17-Jun-2006 17:33 (after 1 month 6 days)

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This is my third time of downloading "The Last of the English Roses" bootleg. Hopefully I will remember to burn it to CD before my hard drive goes t1ts up.
Cheers ;)
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Post 10-Oct-2006 20:59 (after 3 months 23 days)

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i'm still new to this site, and it seems like i'm getting all of the old stuff at a time when it;s only being seeded by one person. could anyone hop on and seed this til i'm done? if you'd look at what i'm seeding you'll see that i'm seeding nearly everything that i've completed, which would normally be a bad thing, but in this case it might be a good thing since hardly anyone downloads the stuff that's been on the site for a while. it seems like everyone signed up around the same time and then they all downloaded the shows at the time they were uploaded, so there was no reason for people to still seed long into the future.
oh well, help please?
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Post 10-Oct-2006 21:08 (after 9 minutes)

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Seeding now.
FYI, if you try and download something but find no seeders, quite often you'll be queued on a seeders machine. e.g. I'm currently seeding about 100 gigs but only allow 8 to be downloaded at a time. The rest are just queued.
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Post 12-Oct-2006 03:52 (after 1 day 6 hours)

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I must be in the que - thanks David!
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monsterH

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Post 14-Oct-2006 05:00 (after 2 days 1 hour)

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Please reseed - I am at 89% completion and can go no farther.
Help!
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Post 08-Feb-2007 10:44 (after 3 months 25 days)

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Hi David,
I completed this one yesterday ... it was the fastest download I ever did.
I just managed to hear to songs this morning ... and I sounds great.
I feel a bit sad, that I never heard and saw them live on stage.
And I feel even more sorrow, that they don't even talk to each others and they will probably never get together on stage again ...
So I have to listen to these old songs again and again.
Greetings from the cold and rainy bavaria
Stubs
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Post 25-Feb-2007 06:59 (after 16 days)

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im bringing this back from the dead because the source if this recording had always been a debate with others ive talked to.
i thought it was a soundboard recording, but apparently many say this is sourced from an audience recording.
comments/insights/suggestions? lets put this to rest once and for all.
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Post 25-Feb-2007 09:22 (after 2 hours 22 minutes)

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In Camden market there was a guy called 'Big Al', who started setting up bootleg stalls around 84. He was into it for the 'business', had quite a number of stalls and made a lot of money. In fact he was the reason reason there was a spate of police raids in 87 ... although, of course, being the police, they picked a weekend when he was away in Holland recording a Bruse Springsteen concert, so they missed him.
But, back to the point, he had standard covers, which as part of the spine had the recording quality of the tape in question ( we all put it on actually). As well as A B C etc, he had FM and MX ... except that MX was defined as 'Mixing Desk Quality'. What that meant in practice, was any recording that he considered to be as good as a mixing desk recoding, and that included very good audience recording.
This was one of the recordings that he labelled as 'mixing desk quality' (another was his recording of the final show), but neither actually were.
Subsequently it's been confusing to know whether pressed boots that have come out have come from a real Mixing Desk source, or from his recording with people taking his rating to mean it actually came from the mixing desk.
I don't believe that there is a mixing desk source available for the final gig, but this show is a bit more dubious. I think its his audience recording ... but its not so clear cut.
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Post 14-Nov-2007 05:19 (after 8 months 16 days)

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been looking for this...thanks :)
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Post 29-May-2009 01:21 (after 1 year 6 months)

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Please could someone reseed this?
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Post 29-May-2009 10:23 (after 9 hours)

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Excellent indeed... thanks for sharing David!
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Post 29-May-2009 18:37 (after 8 hours)

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thank you very much!!!!!
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