The Smiths - October 23 1986 - Kilburn National Ballroom - London England (Silas Remaster)

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DavidA ®

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Post 01-Jun-2018 21:08

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Remaster by Christian Silas
General steps taken:
Extracted audio/video footage from all VOB files with Handbrake v. 1.1.0
Split show into twenty one segments with Davinci Resolve v. 14 in order to address all the differing audio sources
Applied the least aggressive video stabilization to each segment with Davinci Resolve v. 14
Remixed each audio segment using Davinci Resolve v. 14
Concatenated (i.e. rejoined) all segments back into one file with MKVToolNix v. 23.0.0
Finished final encoding with Handbrake v. 1.1.0
MD5 Checksum: 63356e5e82646a612b531fde0d825473
Duration: 1:23:27 Bit Rate: 2.81 Mbps
Video Tracks: H.264, 866 × 714, 24.995 fps, 2.48 Mbps
Audio Tracks: MPEG-4 Audio stereo, 48 kHz, 330 kbps
See below for source origin and information.
National Ballroom, Kilburn - 23 October 1986
The Queen Is Dead
Panic
I Want The One I Can't Have
Vicar In A Tutu
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
Ask
(Marie's The Name) His Latest Flame/Rusholme Ruffians
Frankly, Mr. Shankly
The Boy With The Thorn In His Side
What She Said (with Rubber Ring intro and outro)
Is It Really So Strange?
Never Had No One Ever
Cemetry Gates
London
Meat Is Murder
I Know It's Over
/The Draize Train
/How Soon Is Now?
//Still Ill
//Bigmouth Strikes Again
I'd never been to the National Ballroom in Kilburn before, so I had no idea what to expect with security and hall layout. But I wanted to try and film all 3 of the London dates, so I brought my camera along anyway. I went up to Paul's place in Kentish Town first, and we went across to Kilburn together. The hall was on the High Road with the entrance on a corner. It looked like an old concert hall. We hung around outside on the street, watching as the people filed in to see what security was like. It didn't look good. Everyone was having to show their tickets as they first entered the building and then they were frisked. We waited for quite some time, hoping that somehow things might get a bit more lax as we got closer to show-time. Eventually there was no time left, so we made our move. I handed in my ticket and flashed my out-of-date Access all areas pass .... and they waved me through without blinking. I'm starting to believe this pass will always work ... I shouldn't worry so much about it.
But now there's not much time before the show starts and I've no idea where I can film from. I go upstairs ... the balcony seems the best bet. Its a big D shaped balcony, with seats all around. Most people are seated, but there are already a number of people loitering at the edge of the balcony. There's an aisle right down the middle and some space down at the front. The lights go down and the Romeo & Juliet intro starts up. We dash down the aisle to the front and squeeze into a space. I'm almost dead center ... pretty much perfect position to film, although there's nowhere to easily rest the camera, and there's a fair bit of Jostling. No time to worry ... out comes the camera and on it goes. I start filming just as the into to the Queen Is Dead Starts up.
It's not a bad film. A bit shaky at the start and there's a lot more of just straight shots of Morrissey. The filming position I had gave me a great view, but wasn't ideal for handling the camera - it wasn't always easy to see the viewfinder without the picture shaking, so I tended to set up a shot and try and keep the camera steady for as long as I could. This meant that the film doesn't follow the action as well as some of the other ones.
The show itself was good. London dates are always a bit funny, as there's an element of 'come on impress us' in the crowd, which you don't tend to get out of the capital. So the crowd tend to hold back a little. But as Johnny said ... there hasn't been a bad Smiths gig, and this one has its moments. Morrissey is on good form with his in between song comments ... and there's a great version of I Know Its over.
I've used 4 different audio sources. The main one is the Rank album, which I've used in its entirety. Then I used the Radio broadcast (most recent Satellite radio version), followed by an audience recording (DJ version) and a few little bits of missing crowd audio from the video soundtrack itself.
This was filmed on a Canovision 8VM-E1.
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Post 11-Jun-2018 20:16 (after 9 days)

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THKs great job¡
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MacPhisto247

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Post 27-Jun-2018 01:51 (after 15 days)

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Steve's original torrent, from 2007, was 3.89 GB.
This remaster with other audio sources and other processing steps is 1.64GB.
What was sacrificed for that much of a difference in file size?
I am open to any/all interpretations......
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Post 22-Jul-2018 01:03 (after 24 days)

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MacPhisto247,
I'm the one who compiled this remaster.
First, there wasn't additional audio sources for this remaster. The information in the general second step (i.e. "in order to address all the differing audio sources") was vague to the casual person. I was informed prior to remastering this that Steve's original used three or four audio sources. Also, after listening to it I could 'hear' (I could audibly distinguish these as well as see it with the software that I used) that this was accurate.
I'm not an expert in this field but I believe that the most likely general answer to your question is thus. The 'original torrent, from 2007' may have come from an even earlier digital copy. Even if it hadn't come from earlier than 2007, it wouldn't matter much in this scenario.
I used software from 2017-2018 to remaster this show. That's 10-11 years of technological development. That may not sound like a lot of time to us, but in the cut-throat software industry it is comparable to centuries.
Simply put, the compression algorithms for audio and video are getting more refined week by week. Having the ability to deliver media (especially streaming; Netflix, etc) at 1080p or 4K resolution while limiting the file size (and thus speed of transfer) is where a competitive edge could make or break a business.
Therefore, software developers are in a mad rush to provide media companies the cutting edge software to accomplish this. Davinci Resolve is what I chose to learn how to remaster A/V because of its reputation in Hollywood California (Movie making capital of the world right?).
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Post 22-Jul-2018 11:04 (after 10 hours)

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The original Video source was a Video8 cassette. I digitized this to a PAL avi file, using a Hi-8 camera with a firewire connection.
This was about 25Gb in size. Using this I edited on the titles and various audio, which required speed adjusting to sync.
This was then encoded to MPEG2 using the highest bitrate to comfortably fit on a single DVD. 3.89Gb.
This was the source used.
It's not clear what format OtherWisdom used when doing the remastering. He only says he extracted the files. Usually you would rip or convert using a HD format to avoid any quality loss.
As he says above he used a HD H.264 codec to export the final video, which allows for much higher quality in a smaller file size than VOB (which is actually pretty basic). The frame rates he uses are more than enough to capture the original DVD video.
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Post 22-Jul-2018 14:09 (after 3 hours)

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Thank you very much!
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Post 01-Sep-2018 20:29 (after 1 month 10 days)

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Cheers mate.
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