Suffer little children 1982 Decibel demo

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SweetFA

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Post 26-Jan-2012 13:13

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It makes you glad that Soundsville Steve took a different attitude, right?
And those guys who bought that Hacienda VHS and uploaded it, that was amazing.
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Post 23-May-2012 23:15 (after 3 months 28 days)

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the master tape which he tried to sell later on
Tried and succeeded!
Does anyone know it's whereabouts today?
Mick
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Post 24-May-2012 15:46 (after 16 hours)

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Yes, I know who has it now. Or at least, they had it a year or so ago.
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Post 24-May-2012 16:04 (after 17 minutes)

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Any idea what sort of money it's changing hands for?
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Post 24-May-2012 17:46 (after 1 hour 41 minute)

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If I recall, I offered low five figures but they were looking for six figures. They have the 'I Want A Boy For My Birthday' cassette as well.
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Post 24-May-2012 18:36 (after 50 minutes)

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OMG. That's them ideas out of my head.
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Post 07-Jan-2013 17:31 (after 7 months 13 days)

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I would just like to set the record straight on this, although I think most people already know what the facts are.
There were 2 tracks recorded at Decibelle, Suffer&Hand. The tapes were sold, and that's the end of that. Cassette copies of the mixes were made, all band members had one or two. J's was mainly used for playing in X Clothes. I think that you can argue till the cows come home on whether the master should have been sold, the physical tape was mine, I paid for it, I played on it, I mixed and engineered the distribution cassettes. It was an eight track master tape.
On this subject, and also the subject of cassettes, unless they were transferred onto digital media soon after recording, even if they were stored professionally, I cant see how they could not have deteriorated to some degree. The master tape was not new stock, it was ex BBC, so it was already somewhat degraded.
This isnt a pimp for a book, but from my point of view, the most accurate account of those times is in Tony Fletcher's, "A light that never goes out", of all the interviewers, he was the one that actually listened and took the time to research my points. You don't have to buy it, order it from the library.
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Post 07-Jan-2013 20:19 (after 2 hours 48 minutes)

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Dale! So good of you to join us. Pull up a chair.
Just read the section in There Is A Light. Thanks for the tip and thanks for doing the interview for the book in the first place. Some great detail in there.
I have no qualms with you selling the eight track. I'm glad it's out there in some form. The current owner told me they had had it professionally restored, transferred to CD and then the track sheet and master tape (16 track Ampex 1 inch tape) put in a bank vault. The quality (of the audio at least) is fine. He mentioned that not all the tracks were used - about 12. In fact, the book says Decibelle were limited to eight. Does that sound right?
Do you have those old Rockabilly photos? Would love to see them.
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Post 30-Sep-2016 11:45 (after 3 years 8 months)

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PLY bar, Lever St, Manchester 29 09 2016 @ 9:30pm & this plays out over the crowded room.
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4JsAVW6F08
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Post 02-Oct-2016 11:07 (after 1 day 23 hours)

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Wonderful. Thanks.
I don't supposed you managed to pinch Dale's phone while you were at it?
BTW If whoever has those tapes is around to read this...
You may realise this already, but if you legally own the tapes you may well also have the legal right to release them commercially. Since The Smiths weren't under contract at the time, the distribution rights should rightly have been Dale's, and would have passed on with the tapes, unless there was some sort of agreement that they would not. I reckon a music biz lawyer would be willing to give you free initial advice.
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Post 10-Oct-2016 10:48 (after 7 days)

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Ive finished reading Dale Hibberts new memoir 'Boy Interrupted' in which he says He (Dale) played bass on Suffer Little Children but Johnny played the Bass guitar on The Hand That Rocks The Cradle @ Decibelle studios as he was busy engineering the track.
So,
Morrissey : Voice
Johnny Marr : Guitar & Bass Guitar
Simon Wolstencroft : Drums
He also says he came across the new Line up (accidentally) 2 weeks after he was sacked @ Drone Studio in Chorlton-Cum-Hardy. Recording: What difference does it make, Handsome devil & Miserable lie.
Probably November / December 1982. That would be the EMI Demo's ?
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Post 13-Oct-2016 13:16 (after 3 days)

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I love the details. Thanks Hipster.
Yes, the Drone demos were paid for by EMI.
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Post 03-Aug-2017 15:04 (after 9 months 21 day)

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Does Phillipe form Decibelle still frequent these boards?
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Post 03-Aug-2017 18:27 (after 3 hours)

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New link PLY bar, Lever St, Manchester 29 09 2016 @ 9:30pm & this plays out over the crowded room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNFPJfvct5w
Dale played a longer excerpt of a His remastered version of 'I want a boy for My birthday' at the same book reading. (The demo track is 4 minutes long).
I captured that too but the audio was lower than this & It was almost completely lost in the background chatter.
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Post 03-Aug-2017 19:40 (after 1 hour 12 minutes)

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Managed to completely miss this first time around, so this is not just an upgrade, but a new find for me. Many thanks!
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